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You might want to check out Kuffel creek
He grows and sells apple varieties for southern california and is based in Riverside which is inland and very hot with few chill hours. He seems to think that the chill hours requirement is not as simple as it sounds and seems to have success in this climate. He currently uses M111 as he thinks the heat in itself has a dwarfing effect. I imagine Palo Alto gets pretty hot as well but not that familiar with the area.
Hope you are successful with the Cox's orange as they truly are the best tasting apple I've had, although a good russet is also nice. Don't know why they aren't grown in US as somewhere there must be a good climate for them. Up in the mountains here in southern cal there's a small apple growing area and we always used to visit this old guy who opened his orchard and had a few Cox's oranges, used to get a few a year. Haven't bee there recently as last time we went he was very old and I fear that he's probably not here anymore.

H. Mark Delman

Hi David:

Thanks for the heads up on this. Its an interesting web site. I may get the book that Kuffel Creek is promoting and check out his recommendations. The Chill Hour requirement may be a reasonable starting point, but not a statistic that shouldnt be used without further considerations. It reminds me of BMI or body mass index, a measure of your weight to height that is supposed to tell you if you need to lose a few pounds. The BMI works well unless you are in fit.

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